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At a glance
In the seventh episode of Down To A Science, Kevin G. Libuit talks with Dr. Niamh O’Hara, CEO and co-founder of Biotia, about bringing precision medicine to infectious disease. Niamh explains why culture, a method from the 1800s, still misses many infections, and how Biotia uses metagenomic sequencing and machine learning to find them. They discuss her path from PhD to founder through Cornell Tech, building and validating a clinical lab in New York, why regulators prefer predictable models, the long road to insurance coverage, who pays for pathogen surveillance, and diagnosing infections on the International Space Station.
Dr. Niamh O’Hara holds a PhD in evolutionary biology and genomics. She co-founded Biotia with Chris Mason of Weill Cornell Medicine after Cornell Tech’s Runway Startup Postdoc Program, and leads it as CEO. Biotia runs a clinical lab in New York City.
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Six key takeaways
Culture still misses many infections.
Niamh says hospitals still diagnose most infections by growing a sample in a petri dish, and that about a third of cultures grow nothing even when a pathogen is present. Sequencing reads the DNA or RNA directly, so it can find organisms that need special conditions or don’t grow at all.
14:40 ↗Regulated tests need predictable models.
Biotia uses machine learning, such as random forests, to tell closely related species apart and to predict drug resistance. Niamh says reviewers are more comfortable with models that give the same output for the same input than with probabilistic ones.
22:27 ↗Approval is only the start.
Biotia’s urine test was under New York State review for 18 months, she says. After approval, insurance coverage takes a billing code, a price, claim-by-claim appeals, and studies showing better outcomes in specific groups of patients.
24:29 ↗Knowing the pathogen can change treatment.
In a retrospective study of 200 culture-negative patients at SUNY Downstate, Niamh says the test found urogenital pathogens in 63% of them, and some patients had been given the wrong drugs, including antibiotics for what turned out to be fungal infections.
34:55 ↗Surveillance is valuable, but hard to fund.
Niamh argues governments should pay for pathogen surveillance, yet funding tends to appear during emergencies and lapse in between. Inside hospitals, she says, the budget for surveillance and the cost of an outbreak sit in different departments.
37:45 ↗Space is a test bed for remote care.
Diagnostics that run on a portable sequencer and a laptop in orbit could also help remote clinics on Earth, she says, where internet access is limited and an unexpected pathogen can appear.
54:34 ↗
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Episode chapters
Chapter times match the published YouTube episode. Each time opens that point on YouTube.
- 00:00 ↗
Why regulated diagnostics need predictable AI
A preview: reviewers of a regulated test want the same output every time the same input goes in.
- 00:34 ↗
Meet Dr. Niamh O'Hara
Kevin welcomes Niamh and explains why a company fighting infections with genomics and AI fits his own career.
- 02:11 ↗
From PhD to founder through Cornell Tech
Choosing Cornell Tech’s Runway program over a traditional postdoc, and a boot camp with the program’s founder.
- 07:49 ↗
Why a PhD is good startup training
Persistence, resourcefulness, and a homemade humidity tent built in place of a $100,000 cabinet.
- 09:38 ↗
Biotia's mission: precision medicine for infections
Why diagnosing infections by growing samples in a petri dish, a method from the 1800s, is still the gold standard.
- 11:27 ↗
When the petri dish comes back negative
Kevin describes patients with clear signs of infection whose cultures grow nothing.
- 12:26 ↗
Chronic UTIs and patients left behind
Repeat infections, inconclusive results, and long courses of antibiotics prescribed without knowing the cause.
- 14:40 ↗
How sequencing finds what culture misses
Every microbe carries DNA or RNA, so sequencing can find organisms that grow slowly or not at all.
- 16:33 ↗
Building a clinical lab in New York
CLIA and New York State accreditation, lab automation, and an 18-month review of the test.
- 19:32 ↗
How Biotia uses machine learning
Telling E. coli from Shigella, calling resistance markers, and predicting resistance from the genome.
- 22:27 ↗
Not the scary AI: same input, same output
Why random forests and other predictable models make regulated tests easier to review.
- 24:29 ↗
From approved test to insurance coverage
A proprietary billing code, a price determination, and claim-by-claim arguments with Medicare.
- 28:25 ↗
Why insurers want studies in specific patients
Coverage is carved out one patient group at a time, from kidney transplant recipients to cancer patients.
- 30:10 ↗
Expanding to prosthetic joint infections
A collaboration with Hospital for Special Surgery on infections that are hard to grow from joint fluid.
- 31:42 ↗
Steelmanning the insurers
Why slow adoption can protect patients, and why payers can’t fund every expensive test.
- 34:55 ↗
Clinical proof from culture-negative patients
A retrospective study of 200 culture-negative patients at SUNY Downstate, and a prospective study in planning.
- 37:45 ↗
Biosurveillance: who pays for it?
From hospital environmental testing to global microbial maps, and why funding stops between emergencies.
- 44:32 ↗
Why wastewater sequencing matters
Everyone flushes, so wastewater gives a population-level view of infections such as COVID-19, flu, and RSV.
- 46:35 ↗
What's the moat?
Validation, curated data sets, and patents on software and on handling difficult samples.
- 47:50 ↗
Patent and publish: IP vs. open science
Defensive patents followed by publication, rather than keeping the work as a trade secret.
- 49:18 ↗
Competitors on Earth, collaborators in space
Work with NASA on microbes from the International Space Station that appear to be adapting to spaceflight.
- 51:18 ↗
Diagnosing astronauts during spaceflight
A funded project to sequence and analyze samples in orbit with a palm-sized nanopore sequencer.
- 54:34 ↗
Space diagnostics for remote clinics on Earth
Unbiased tests that run on a laptop without internet, and a study with a hospital in Thailand.
- 57:48 ↗
Taking Biotia international
A team in Budapest, partners in Asia, and cash-pay testing abroad before reimbursement.
- 1:00:04 ↗
Where to follow Niamh and Biotia
Biotia’s website and newsletter, and @BiotiaNYC on social media.
The longer read
In-depth summary
From PhD to founder
Niamh trained in evolutionary biology and genomics. When she was looking for a postdoc, she was offered a funded position at NYU and, at the same time, a place in a Cornell Tech program that, as she puts it, takes people who just got a PhD and turns them into a CEO. She chose what she calls the weirder, scarier path. She had started small businesses as a child, refurbishing furniture to sell and making perfume from flowers, but she always saw herself as a scientist first.
She spent three years in the program. It opened with a six-week boot camp led by the program’s founder, Uzi De-Haan, which she describes as transformative: thinking about how science can be applied, how to build products, and how intellectual property fits in. What carried her past the uncertainty, she says, was the mission. Cornell Tech helps people build companies that do good, and she had seen how hard funding was for basic science in the US after a series of rejected grant applications.
She and Kevin also see a strong overlap between PhD students and founders. Both have to be persistent and resourceful with little money. As a grad student studying fungi that attack plants, she needed a humidity cabinet that cost $100,000, so she built a tent with reptile-tank bubblers and slept nearby to keep the humidity steady for days. Kevin says that when he reviews PhD candidates, evidence of bringing an idea to fruition often matters more to him than their niche.
Precision medicine for infections
Biotia’s mission, Niamh says, is to bring precision medicine to infectious disease diagnostics, with many of the gaps in women’s health. The standard of care is to take a sample, such as urine, grow it on a petri dish, look under a microscope, and identify the pathogen, a method she notes dates back to the 1800s. She and her co-founder, Chris Mason of Weill Cornell Medicine, used genomic tools every day in research and were frustrated that the clinic didn’t. Niamh had her own experience: a hospital-acquired urinary tract infection while she was pregnant.
Kevin describes what a failed culture means for a patient: a serious infection, sometimes sepsis, with no clear cause, so doctors treat broadly and hope the patient can tolerate it. Biotia’s first test, the BIOTIA-ID Urine Test, is built for people with chronic or complicated urinary tract infections, who by her description get infected at least two or three times a year and are often treated empirically, sometimes for months. She says about a third of sepsis cases begin in the urogenital tract, and that the test was built for an estimated 10 million US patients with chronic UTIs or interstitial cystitis.
Sequencing avoids the need to grow anything. Every microorganism has DNA or RNA, Niamh explains, so it can be extracted and sequenced directly, including species that need special conditions, grow slowly, or don’t grow in standard culture at all.
Building and validating a clinical lab
Turning research into a test started with research and development and a lab of their own. Biotia runs a clinical lab in New York City, which needed federal CLIA certification and approval from New York State’s Clinical Laboratory Evaluation Program, a standard Niamh calls the highest bar they are held to. State inspectors audit the lab’s methods and staff qualifications. The lab now uses robots to automate much of the genomics workflow.
Getting a reliable signal every time took work that a research study doesn’t require, she says: different sample volumes from men and women, weak early results from men’s samples, and sample stability. After a full validation, the test was under New York State review for 18 months. She attributes part of the delay to the test’s AI component, which arrived during the pandemic while regulators were still hiring AI experts and working out how to review this kind of product. Surviving that gap as a startup, she says, was very challenging.
Machine learning that regulators can trust
Kevin outlines the assay as metagenomic sequencing: sequence the DNA and RNA in a sample, set aside the human DNA, and analyze the rest. Niamh says one key use of AI is a machine learning classifier that separates species that look nearly identical. Her example is E. coli and Shigella, which look alike genetically and under a microscope. Biotia grew E. coli, gathered Shigella genomes, and trained its classifier on the difference, then did the same for strains, antimicrobial resistance markers, and virulence markers.
The team now predicts a resistance phenotype from the genotype, not just the presence of a resistance gene. Niamh says Biotia won the CAMDA international competition on this task two years in a row. Kevin notes this is not the generative AI people usually picture. Niamh agrees: it’s “not the scary AI.” With models such as random forests, the same input gives the same output, which she says makes reviewers of regulated diagnostics more comfortable. Kevin adds that probabilistic language models are what make AI worrying in regulated settings.
The long road to insurance coverage
Before building the assay, Biotia did market research with clinicians and patients. Selling it, Niamh says, depends on reimbursement, a long process the company is in the middle of. The urine test has a Proprietary Laboratory Analyses (PLA) code, a test-specific billing code, and she says it recently received a final price determination. The next step is submitting claims to Medicare one at a time, each argued with doctors’ notes, and many will be rejected. After that, Biotia plans to submit its clinical studies on outcomes and cost to seek a local coverage determination, which would mean payment without arguing every claim.
Payers’ standards are very high, she says, and they want evidence in specific populations: kidney transplant recipients, people with neurogenic bladder, cancer patients, and others who are immunocompromised, for whom a urinary infection can become sepsis more easily and who are more likely to carry drug-resistant or atypical pathogens. Coverage is carved out one group at a time. Biotia is also developing a test for prosthetic joint infections with Hospital for Special Surgery. These infections, after a hip or knee replacement, are hard to grow from viscous joint fluid, and a wrong call can lead to revision surgery.
Asked to steelman the insurers, Niamh points to Thomas Kuhn’s account of scientific revolutions: science and medicine move slowly, and slow adoption in hospitals can protect patients from treatments that aren’t yet proven. She calls the US insurance system broken, but says payers can’t fund every expensive test, and that Biotia has worked to bring its price in line with a PCR panel.
Clinical proof from culture-negative patients
Niamh describes a retrospective study with SUNY Downstate in Brooklyn of 200 patients being treated for urinary tract infections whose cultures had grown nothing. Biotia’s test found urogenital pathogens and drug resistance markers in 63% of them, she says. Comparing the prescriptions with the results, some patients had been given the wrong antimicrobials, others could have had treatment narrowed, and a group of catheterized patients with fungal infections had been treated with antibiotics. A prospective, interventional study, in which clinicians treat based on the test and outcomes are tracked, is being set up.
Biosurveillance: who pays for it?
Biotia began with environmental testing in hospitals, looking for pathogens such as C. diff on surfaces and equipment, and with biosurveillance: global microbial maps, drug resistance, and models of how climate could affect diseases such as dengue. The problem, Niamh says, is who pays. She believes governments should fund surveillance continuously, but money tends to arrive during a pandemic and lapse afterwards. Diagnostics was the clearer business because it is obvious who pays: the patient, the practice, or the insurer.
Kevin explains that hospital surveillance usually falls to infection prevention teams with small budgets. Niamh recalls a study, she thinks from UPMC, showing how siloed hospitals are: the department that would pay for surveillance isn’t the one that bears the cost of an outbreak. Biotia could sell surveillance to a hospital during an outbreak, she says, but those are rare events people try to forget. It now has some hospital contracts, including isolate work with Mayo Clinic, and pools the data from its tests into a biosurveillance platform for population-level insight.
One lasting gain from the pandemic, in her view, is that wastewater testing continues. Everyone flushes, so a treatment plant collects signals from a whole population in one place, and sequencing or PCR can track trends in infections such as COVID-19, flu, and RSV. Kevin notes that the same metagenomic approach underlies Biotia’s urine test.
The moat, and patent then publish
If the underlying technology is shared, Kevin asks, what is the moat? Niamh points to the validation, to large data sets curated with AI and by experts, and to patents: two issued software patents, which she says are not the strongest kind, and a pending one that combines wet-lab methods and software for handling tricky samples and inhibitors. Coming from academia, the team patents defensively and then publishes, rather than keeping methods as trade secrets.
Kevin mentions others bringing metagenomic tests to the clinic, including Delve Bio and the work of Dr. Charles Chiu at UCSF. Niamh says her co-founder has published with Chiu, who advises Biotia on space genomics: on Earth they are competitors, in space they are collaborators.
Microbes in orbit and diagnostics for remote clinics
Biotia has worked with NASA on samples from the International Space Station. Niamh says the team identified novel fungi and bacteria, likely brought aboard by astronauts, that colonize the station and appear to be evolving under the different pressures of space. Chris Mason has also studied astronauts who spent long periods in space, including changes in gene expression, the microbiome, and telomere length.
With Dr. Charles Chiu, Biotia was funded by the Korean pharmaceutical company Boryung to develop a test that sequences and analyzes samples during spaceflight, using a palm-sized Oxford Nanopore MinION. The goal is astronaut health, she says: spaceflight can dampen the immune system, latent pathogens can resurface, and only a limited set of antimicrobials is on board. She notes that her co-founder has written about the next 500 years of humanity in space.
The same tools could help on Earth, Niamh argues. An unbiased test that can find anything, rather than a panel for specific pathogens, suits remote clinics facing outbreaks such as Ebola. Biotia recently published a urine study with Bumrungrad International Hospital in Thailand using nanopore sequencing, where uploading data was sometimes a problem. Today, she says, a single sample can be sequenced and analyzed on a laptop, though not the thousands Biotia runs in its lab. Kevin adds that running compute on site also takes technical expertise that is hard to support remotely.
Taking Biotia international
Part of Biotia’s team, including its chief medical officer, is in Budapest, and the company has looked at labs there as a possible entry into Europe. It also works with partners in Southeast and East Asia. Because the team is still small, Niamh says, it is focusing on US regulation and reimbursement first. Many patients abroad ask to pay for the urine test themselves, so the first step will probably be offering it in Europe and Canada on a cash-pay basis.
In their words
Transcript excerpts
Selected passages from the episode, with filler words removed and punctuation lightly normalized. Bracketed words are added for clarity. Timestamps mark where each passage begins.
The standard of care
“Hospitals currently, if somebody has an infection, they’ll take a sample, like a urine sample or some other fluid generally, and grow it on a petri dish, look through a microscope, and identify what pathogen is causing the infection. This is technology that’s fundamentally from the 1800s. So it’s pretty wild that that is still the gold standard.”
No need to grow it
“All of the microorganisms have DNA [or] RNA and we can just extract that and sequence it. We don’t have to wait for them to grow in a petri dish. And we can sequence and identify species that can’t grow in standard culture.”
Eighteen months in review
“Then we did a full validation and submitted to New York State. And then it was under review for 18 months, actually. So when you’re thinking about a startup staying alive, it’s very challenging to have other sources of revenue and just survive that gap.”
Not the scary AI
“It’s not the scary AI. […] When you’re trying to get a product that’s regulated through review, one of the things that helps is if you use, like we use random forests, for example, whatever we put into the model, you get the same thing out. […] These regulated diagnostics, they don’t want random.”
Slow can be protective
“There’s very slow adoption in hospitals, especially, to change clinical practice. And that can be protective. Like you don’t want to just constantly be prescribing the latest drug that you don’t know […] the efficacy and safety [of] for patients.”
Who pays
“The thing that’s so frustrating is the question of who pays for it. […] It’s very hard to build a business around it because really governments should be paying for this. And they do when there’s a pandemic […] and then there’s this lapse and they stop paying for it in between.”
Evolving in orbit
“The microbes are exposed to different evolutionary pressures in space. And so they seem to be evolving. They colonize the spacecraft. […] So we do have these novel microbes that have not been described on Earth before that we published together with NASA.”
The most remote place
“Better remote diagnostics that are not biased towards looking for a specific pathogen but are unbiased and could find anything [are] also just really useful here for really remote clinics. […] Space is the most remote place that you can demonstrate it, but then we can also deploy it on Earth.”
Keep exploring
Show notes & source links
People, organizations, programs, and further reading connected to the conversation. Each entry explains the connection. Links are references, not endorsements.
Niamh O’Hara & Biotia
- Biotia ↗
Biotia’s website, where Niamh says listeners can sign up for the company’s newsletter. Biotia posts as @BiotiaNYC on social media.
1:00:04 ↗ - About Biotia · leadership ↗
Biotia’s story as a Cornell Tech spinout founded by Niamh O’Hara and Chris Mason, and the team behind it.
00:34 ↗ - BIOTIA-ID Urine Test ↗
Biotia’s page for the urine test Niamh describes, built for chronic, complicated, and culture-negative urinary tract infections.
12:26 ↗ - Negative Cultures · Biotia white paper ↗
Biotia’s patient-education paper, which summarizes the SUNY Downstate study of 200 culture-negative patients Niamh describes. It is not peer-reviewed.
34:55 ↗ - Biotia announces AMA PLA code for the BIOTIA-ID Urine assay ↗
July 2025. Biotia’s announcement of the test-specific billing code Niamh mentions, and of New York State CLEP approval.
24:29 ↗ - Biotia and Hospital for Special Surgery collaboration ↗
September 2025. The partnership on prosthetic joint infections that Niamh describes.
30:10 ↗ - Novel species of fungi and bacteria found on the ISS · Biotia ↗
January 2021. Biotia’s announcement of its work with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Chris Mason’s lab on microbes from the International Space Station.
49:18 ↗ - Analytical validation of a metagenomic diagnostic platform for UTI in a Thai tertiary hospital · Frontiers ↗
February 2026. The study with Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok that Niamh mentions, co-authored by Biotia, which adapted its platform to Oxford Nanopore sequencing.
54:34 ↗
Programs, regulation & coverage
- Runway Startups · Cornell Tech ↗
The Jacobs Technion-Cornell Institute program, known as the Runway Startup Postdoc Program, that Niamh joined after her PhD.
02:11 ↗ - In memory of Uzi De-Haan · Technion ↗
The Technion’s tribute to the founder of the Runway program, who led the boot camp Niamh describes.
02:11 ↗ - Clinical Laboratory Evaluation Program (CLEP) · Wadsworth Center ↗
New York State’s regulator for clinical labs and laboratory-developed tests, the CLEP in “CLIA and CLEP.”
16:33 ↗ - Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA) · CMS ↗
The federal program that certifies US clinical laboratories, the CLIA in “CLIA and CLEP.”
16:33 ↗ - CPT PLA codes · American Medical Association ↗
How the AMA issues Proprietary Laboratory Analyses codes, the billing code Niamh mentions.
24:29 ↗ - Local coverage determinations · CMS ↗
How Medicare contractors decide coverage for a service in their region, the step Biotia is working toward.
24:29 ↗
Space & sequencing
- Monitoring Microorganisms · NASA ↗
NASA’s overview of how microbes on the International Space Station are tracked and studied, including the Microbial Tracking investigations.
49:18 ↗ - Biotia partners with Boryung to advance diagnostics in remote regions, including space · UCSF ↗
July 2025. The three-way partnership of Biotia, Boryung, and Dr. Charles Chiu at UCSF to build portable diagnostics for spaceflight and remote care.
51:18 ↗ - MinION · Oxford Nanopore Technologies ↗
The palm-sized sequencer that plugs into a laptop, which Niamh names for testing in orbit and in remote clinics.
51:18 ↗ - Delve Bio ↗
A company offering a metagenomic test for cerebrospinal fluid and plasma, licensed from UCSF, which Kevin names among Biotia’s peers.
47:50 ↗
Accuracy & context
Editorial notes
- Timestamps. Chapter times match the published YouTube episode. Excerpts at 10:09, 15:01, 18:27, 22:29, 32:39, 38:30, 50:19 and 54:46 begin partway through a transcript line, so their times are approximate and may be a few seconds off.
- Claims and figures. Niamh’s descriptions of Biotia’s tests, studies, and results are her own, as are Kevin’s views. Figures given in conversation, such as the share of cultures that fail, the share of sepsis cases that begin in the urogenital tract, the number of US patients with chronic UTIs, and the length of the state review, are given as she said them and are not verified here. The SUNY Downstate figures (200 patients, 63%) match Biotia’s own published summary; Niamh gave other percentages from that study approximately, so these notes leave them out.
- Not medical advice. This episode discusses diagnosis and treatment of infections in general terms. Talk to a clinician about your own care. Links to Biotia’s pages are references, not endorsements.
- Recalled from memory. Niamh cites a hospital study on outbreak costs that she thinks came from UPMC, and Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. The study is not linked because it could not be identified. Chris Mason’s book The Next 500 Years (MIT Press) and the CAMDA conference are named without links because their pages could not be checked. Biotia reports its CAMDA results in bioRxiv preprints.
- Names and terminology. These notes use Biotia, Niamh O’Hara, CLIA and CLEP, sell, Boryung, Bumrungrad, Uzi De-Haan, CAMDA, and MinION where the automatic transcript contains phonetic spellings. Kevin names Delve Bio and the work of Dr. Charles Chiu of UCSF; both names were reconstructed from a garbled transcript and confirmed against UCSF’s announcement of its partnership with Biotia and Boryung. A biosecurity organization Kevin names in passing could not be identified and is left out. Niamh’s personal social profiles are not linked because they could not be confirmed; Biotia posts as @BiotiaNYC.
Quick answers
About the episode & the show
- Who is Dr. Niamh O’Hara?
- Dr. Niamh O’Hara is CEO and co-founder of Biotia, a New York health technology company that uses metagenomic sequencing and AI to diagnose difficult infections. She holds a PhD in evolutionary biology and genomics and came to Biotia through Cornell Tech’s Runway Startup Postdoc Program. She co-founded the company with Chris Mason of Weill Cornell Medicine.
- What does Episode 7 cover?
- Episode 7 explores precision medicine for infectious disease. Niamh O’Hara and Kevin G. Libuit discuss her path from PhD to founder, why culture misses infections, building a clinical lab in New York, predictable machine learning, insurance coverage for a new test, paying for pathogen surveillance, and diagnosing infections aboard the International Space Station.
- Why can a urine culture come back negative during an infection?
- Culture depends on growing the pathogen in a petri dish. Niamh says about a third of cultures grow nothing even when a pathogen is there, because some microbes need special conditions, grow slowly, or don’t grow at all. Sequencing reads their DNA or RNA directly, so it doesn’t depend on growth.
- How does Biotia use AI?
- Biotia uses machine learning classifiers, such as random forests, to tell closely related species like E. coli and Shigella apart and to predict drug resistance from a microbe’s genome. Niamh says these models give the same output for the same input, which makes regulators reviewing a clinical test more comfortable than generative AI would.
- Why does insurance coverage take so long for a new test?
- Niamh describes several steps after approval: a billing code, a price determination, then Medicare claims argued one by one. Biotia is gathering studies on outcomes and cost to seek a local coverage determination. Payers, she says, want evidence for specific patient groups, so coverage is won one population at a time.
- What has Biotia found on the International Space Station?
- Working with NASA, Niamh says, Biotia and Chris Mason’s lab identified novel fungi and bacteria on the station, likely brought aboard by astronauts, that appear to be adapting to spaceflight. Biotia is also developing, with Dr. Charles Chiu and Boryung, a portable test to diagnose astronauts’ infections during flight.
- Who hosts Down To A Science?
- Kevin G. Libuit hosts Down To A Science, a podcast of conversations with practitioners in science, technology, and business about their work, personal insights, and real-world impact. A scientist by training, Kevin is Chief Operating Officer at Galang AI, which presents the show. He previously led technology and operations at Theiagen Genomics.
- Where can I watch or listen to Episode 7?
- Watch Episode 7 of Down To A Science on YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Amazon Music usually lists new episodes a little later. The episode runs 61 minutes, the platform links at the top of this page open it directly, and the Show Notes index collects every episode guide.